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163 points | parent

The general implications of this are quite interesting. It means you can compete with Google at anything where really good customer service is an advantage, because the concept of customer service (except at such low granularity as generating good, fast search results) is so alien to their culture.
Full time
89 points | parent
4.Congrats, Dropbox (YC S07) (compete.com)
84 points by fuelfive on March 26, 2009 | 51 comments

Regardless of whether or not this is true, it's a very damaging piece for google not to respond to. After reading it, I'm very hesitant to use their checkout service - it simply isn't worth the risk.

Hopefully google can step away from their usual "no-comment" ethos and explain a bit about their termination process, and how they try to be fair. If not, this will undoubtedly show up on searches for their checkout service, and lead quite a few people away from it.

6.Tesla Model S Unveiled (boston.com)
80 points by martythemaniak on March 26, 2009 | 30 comments

I believe it because it happened to me as well.

A year or two ago I used Google Checkout for an online product which sold a few hundred dollars worth. I got a couple of emails from Google saying to "Make sure to ship the products" or something like that. Since they were virtual goods, I didn't bother to go to Google Checkout and click "Shipped" or whatever.

Fast forward about a year, and I log in to Google Checkout to a message that says "Your account has been closed. We can't tell you why. There is no appeal".

The funniest part was I was trying to BUY something with Google Checkout.

I think it's bad practice to not tell someone why their account was closed. I understand if it was because I never clicked "Shipped" or whatever, but I don't even know if that's the reason.

Luckily there are alternatives to Google Checkout. I just wish Google treated their customers nicer. Especially because myself and my company spend over six figures a year on AdWords.


That's how we kicked their (and Yahoo's, and MSN's) ass in Latin America for search advertising. We spoke the languages, answered the phone, answered emails, dealt with icky non-US forms of payment, walked people through their first ad campaigns, etc.
9.The 15 Roles Absolutely Necessary in a Startup, No Matter How Small it is (micahelliott.blogspot.com)
74 points by jshajan on March 26, 2009 | 41 comments
10.Most time management is rubbish (thesimpledollar.com)
71 points by oscardelben on March 26, 2009 | 25 comments

Because I'm not a sales or marketing person. :)
12.Using /usr/local (hivelogic.com)
65 points by wolfish on March 26, 2009 | 28 comments
13."Whatever happened to...?" The odd fates of 25 legendary tech products. (technologizer.com)
62 points by technologizer on March 26, 2009 | 16 comments
14.No more Java 7 (jroller.com)
61 points by jaaron on March 26, 2009 | 4 comments
15.Rare HTML Tags (tutsplus.com)
58 points by nreece on March 26, 2009 | 30 comments
16.Google To Cut 200 Jobs (googleblog.blogspot.com)
56 points by physcab on March 26, 2009 | 41 comments
17.Apple’s iPhone App Refund Policies Could Bankrupt Developers (techcrunch.com)
56 points by vaksel on March 26, 2009 | 25 comments
I don't have a startup (yet)
54 points | parent
19.Official Google Research Blog: The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Data (googleresearch.blogspot.com)
52 points by Anon84 on March 26, 2009 | 16 comments

sigh

I just got home from my evening MBA class after a full day of work. I'm the Director of IT at a pharmaceutical manufacturer in Florida and graduated with 4.0 in CS and Econ with Math minor as my undergrad. After my MBA, I'm hoping to pursue a CS/Math PhD degree and I consider myself a lifelong student with no desire to make millions. I mentioned all of this because I want to make it clear that my reasons to defend the pursuit of an MBA program is solely academic in nature and not based on the potential earnings or promotions. I could make a lot more by switching companies, networking, or working overtime. I don't have to get an MBA just to make more money.

An MBA from a good university is HARD and enlightening work. Yes, the barrier to entry is pretty low and I've had the mis-experience of being in groups where 35 year old finance majors with 8 years of field experience didn't know how to use the Excel SUM() function. Nevertheless, the professors are extremely experienced, industry stalwarts from all sorts of background. Tonight an ex-IBM'er with 20+ years of Sales & Marketing experience across various IT sectors taught me about building customer value.

Here on HN we see blog posts by know-it-all nobodies dispense wisdom on "10 ways to blah blah" and all of us discuss the merits and demerits of the post for hours and days. An MBA is a superset of that, formalized and organized. Yes, you can learn business skills anywhere, especially by running your own company. However, that does not mean you cannot benefit from decades of knowledge, wisdom, and research in every field from finance to management to marketing. The goal of a well-designed MBA program is to equip you with the knowledge and skill to make better decisions in addition to letting you employ your gut instincts and intelligence in your ventures.

The problem with MBA programs is that too many people treat them as "bigger paycheck" tickets and smaller universities lower their standards to welcome anyone who can pay them $20K/year. This has the negative side-effect of making even the hard-working MBA graduates appear to be useless greedy monsters like this article portrays.

> The reality is that business school is now chiefly a community of intention. It brings together people who share certain career aspirations—for the most part, to make big bucks—and occupies their time teaching them a few technical things that they don't need to know, along with a code of conduct that says, in essence, whatever is legal is ethical; and if it makes money, it's a positive duty. It's now clear that we would have all been much better off if, instead of cloistering these people on fancy campuses with world-class golf courses, we'd have sent them off to do two years of national service.

This entire paragraph is a complete load of crap. Over and over our professors, books, seminars, and presentations mention that doing the right, socially-beneficial thing is the only way to go. We read cases about bad businesses, identify the good ones, and isolate the bad ones pretending to be good. Not once has any of my professors even so much as sugar-coated what Enron, Worldcom, Lehman, AIG, or any of the tons of other companies have done as being acceptable. Yes, profit and shareholder value maximization is the legal requirement for any public corporation but not at the cost of long-term corporate and social goals.

Sorry about the rant but I'm pretty sick of the dumb-greedy-MBA stereotype. Everything I learn in school at night, I get to immediately apply it at my job the next morning. My advice to anyone reading this is if you have a technical background and have often lacked in management and leadership skills, an MBA from a good university will genuinely help you be a well-rounded entrepreneur. Don't have unrealistic expectations about suddenly being transformed into Steve Jobs but do realize that leadership skills can be learned and 360-degree knowledge of business operations (from tech to finance to sales) will make you a very valuable asset to any organization, including the one that you start.


Terespondo.com. Comically tiny team compared to Overture. Yahoo/Overture bought it in 2005. At our high point we handled search advertising for 7 out of the top 10 sites in Latin America: UOL, Buscape, etc. Even MSN became a customer.

I used to work with the anti-fraud folks at PayPal. Most of them jumped ship to Google about 2 years ago. PayPal was data driven, but required a human to verify the results. Google is simply data driven. That should help explain why they seem even worse than PayPal.

Thanks for posting this. Since I haven't seen any positive comments about Checkout in the comments, so far, I figured I'd chime in.

I've been using Checkout since about January 2007 to sell digital resources through my site gmathacks.com. In that time, I've had thousands of purchases through Checkout with gross sales well over $100k.

Having had problems with PayPal before (not with this business, but a previous one), I was careful from the outset -- I generally err on the side of refunding people, I follow Checkout's procedure (click the "shipped" button, even though it's a digital product, etc.) to a "t," and I do the best I can with customer service in general.

My experience has, quite simply, been great. Checkout's algorithm seems to reject some purchasers more readily than other systems do (often, I think, because their IP doesn't match the country in their credit card address), which is better than a recent experience of mine through PayPal, when a $200 purchase was reversed weeks later because of a fraud concern. (Which turned out to be false.)

All the while, the fees charged have been way cheaper than PayPal's. (This, unfortunately, is changing. Depending on your monthly sales, Checkout fees are going up as much as 40% in the next month or two.)

I will say that little has happened to turn Checkout against me -- in 2+ years, my chargeback rate is just a shade over 0.1%. And as noted, I'm aware of some of the risks, so I've trod carefully.

All of this certainly isn't a defense for Checkout's (non-existent?) customer service and apparently faulty algorithms. But...while I'm glad to be aware of situations like this, I'll continue to happily use Checkout and recommend to others that they do the same.


Ditto. Ditto Ditto. Sorry, but they did it to me. Was only $80.00, but Ditto.
25.On Sushi and Tsukiji (vanityfair.com)
47 points by wolfish on March 26, 2009 | 16 comments
26.Free Online Mathematics e-Books (e-booksdirectory.com)
46 points by dedalus on March 26, 2009 | 5 comments
27.The Art of the Self-Imposed Deadline (harvardbusiness.org)
44 points by peter123 on March 26, 2009 | 13 comments
28.YouTube EDU Launches, So Go Learn Something (techcrunch.com)
43 points by njrc on March 26, 2009 | 13 comments
29.[London] Songkick (YC S07) WLTM Senior Data Engineer...
on March 26, 2009
30.Learn Git one commit at a time (gitready.com)
40 points by pablobm on March 26, 2009 | 4 comments

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