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Everyone focuses on the safety of power production, and I totally get that and think it's important, but the mining and enrichment of uranium should also be considered. Nuclear "disasters" aren't just 3 Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima. There are plenty of other disasters that aren't power plants.

Growing up in the USA, my home town was contaminated with uranium, thorium, and radium due to a nearby uranium processing plant that later became a superfund site. It was in the soil, the water, and sometimes even the air. I knew far too many people who've died of cancers, and I, like many from that area, have thyroid issues from exposure.


Solar and wind also require many materials extracted through mining, you can't really get away from mining whatever you do.

considering nuclear needs least mining, i doubt effects are too big per kwh vs alternatives.

where was this?

There are a small number of such sites in the US. One that fits closely with this description is a legacy of the Manhattan Project: Coldwater Creek, MO. The Mallinckrodt Chemical Works refined a lot of uranium, and waste handling was about what you would expect given the prerogatives of the 1940's and the Cold War. They carried on refining for power plants after WW2.

Obviously, fuel refining hasn't just carried on like that, in the US and Europe at least. But it's one of many handy cudgels to use whenever folks get excited about nuclear.


It carried on until at least 1989, and the effects were present majorly until around 2000, and the superfund site was completed in 2006. So, like, pretty darn recent on the scale of a human lifetime.

That's all correct; a long tail of consequences.

Going in the opposite historical direction is the other side of that ledger. The actual plant in question was shut down in 1957. The AEC stepped in years earlier to triage the operation, after actually establishing formal exposure limits in 1950, which didn't exist prior to that point. Before that, the company itself had hired staff to control waste and detect contamination. They had to build their own survey equipment because there were no commercial tools available. The worst of the actual contamination was actually incurred prior to that; 1942-1945, when the gloves were entirely off building bombs.

The lessons have been learned. It's tragic and shameful history, but not terribly relevant to modern practice in nuclear power.


The one that injured me and those where I lived was not Mallinckrodt Chemical Works. It was Fernald, and it was active until ‘89.

Thanks. I didn't know about this site. I've been browsing for a bit, and I actually think it's a better site than Tindie ever was.

I’m not surprised by it, but I am confused as I do not see anything that reminds me of TempleOS, HolyC, or Davis. If anything, this is just pushing the tcc —run functionality one step further.

probably because the shell on TempleOS is actually a HolyC REPL, and HolyC is JIT compiled.

The name Orinoco makes me think of the 802.11b wireless LAN adapters of the same name. One of the few that worked in Linux.

I'm with you on this one. I think I still have that pcmcia card somewhere.

Really? It makes me think of the hunting of the snark, because my brain makes it's own style of random wikipedia link wandering.

Makes me think of Enya's Orinoco Flow...Sail Away, Sail Away, Sail Away!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTrk4X9ACtw


Fun fact, while Trower was the manager who got Windows moving, it was Gabe Newell who served as the lead developer of Windows versions 1, 2, and 3. Win95 was the first version he wasn’t really involved with. By that time, he was working on porting Doom to Windows.

Sorry, are we saying Valve Gabe Newell? That's blowing my mind from both timeline and area perspective.

Yup, where do you think he got the money to start Valve? :-)

Yep, I still do love this little factoid

It's a fact, though, not a factoid.

Huh, valid correction, thank you, never realised that those weren't synonyms

Half Life 3.11 confirmed.

Half Life for Workgroups

Half Life/386

Copilot Life

I think he must have sworn off any v3 after MS-DOSv3.

Clippy is the final boss

That's for Portal 3.

Yeah, I don't know why this never popped on my radar. I read Abrash books long ago, MS employees blog too, its history around the creation of UIs (xerox/apple and all that), the OS/2 era .. and I never saw his name (or maybe selective vision tricked me).

Very fun fact


He notably worked at Microsoft before founding Valve.

I believe he’s confirmed that his time at Microsoft both gave him the money and the desire to make Valve and Steam.

The desire to switch to games was, reputedly, seeing Doom outsell Windows 3.x with none of the marketing budget (with Windows having huge one).

Then not getting enough support in trying to drum up better support for gaming at Microsoft, IIRC


Gabe and Carmack are probably above Amelio and below Jobs and Gates in impact on the world - but probably above them all in impact when measured on a “desired” axis - people sought out Doom in a way that even the iPhone wasn’t.

I love this kind of lore. Thanks for enhancing

He's an awesome guy!

If you play any Valve games with commentary he prefaces them with an invitation to email him directly with comments or questions. He's said that he doesn't have time to answer every one but he tries to read them all.

For a multi-yacht owning, industry driving billionaire, he does seem pretty cool.


Well… it was still far more simple than anything today. Whether we are looking at Concurrent CP/M-86 or at Multitasking MS-DOS 4, these were far more simple than anything OS today. Once we add many users, you start looking at things like Xenix and other early Unices. Those too, we’re more simple than anything today.

Especially as, in Unix, you needed to add things by yourself, so it could be as simple or complex as you needed it to be

Thanks. I just went down a little rabbit hole into Dennis Gabor and then the book Cybernetics. Fun. :-)

Most use Linux now, and specifically RHEL. I did see some IBM z, but that was specifically for one old DB that handled oil pipeline stuff.

Well… UEFI is kind of modern DOS.

It certainly is not.

There are a lot of parallels: It has a janky set of buggy drivers. It has backslashes in paths. It has a shell that is "inspired" by COMMAND.COM. And it's basically a program loader where every program immediately replaces it and drives the hardware directly.

More like modern BIOS++ IMO

Except that UEFI supports loading PE executables which replace it and have direct access to hardware… so… not really BIOS-like. Some UEFI implementations provide BIOS compatibility, but that’s via an UEFI application whether provided by the implementer or via something like CSMWrap: https://github.com/CSMWrap/CSMWrap

Also, what is a natural food? Wheat, maize, oranges, bananas, broccoli... those are human made.

And there's plenty of unnatural, ultraprocessed food that's good for us.

Try telling the body builder he can't have a protein shake.


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