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> If you stay past 4:30pm, you're destined to be an IC forever

I have never heard this said before. I wonder how true it is in general


If you stay late it looks like a) you're struggling, b) you're a try-hard, c) you don't have a life after work.

One of the most actionable low-hanging career advices I could give is be among the first ones to pack up and leave for the day. You can always continue working at home if you're not done.


When I worked for a crypto startup early in my career, we were once chastised because no one was in the office at 6:30pm. Some engineers (including me) did mostly work from home but most people, engineers and non engineers alike, mostly worked from the office.

And a couple years ago I did a short consulting stint for an AI startup (I know how to pick the bubbles huh?) where I shipped something at around 6pm my time, got a call at 9pm their time to talk about it, and then he asked me "what are you working on tonight?" I quit the next day.

Anyway, this advice confuses me because many companies see staying late as a badge of commitment. Maybe it doesn't apply to startups.


My boss told me enforcing code quality wasn’t important because in 6 months we won’t even read code anymore.

There is perhaps _some_ truth to this, long term. But I think it’s way too early to remove all the QA.

How can you read a 1k lone change?

What are you doing where 200kloc is even remotely acceptable? That’s like half a percent of linux.


How do I do that? It takes a while.

Don't ask me. It wasnt 200k it was like 170 something. I can't say too much but it was some big weird ETL pipeline using some weird database. Tons of weird algorithms for displaying data, by storing it all in memory? I don't know man I wasn't allowed to talk to whoever had swarms of agents create it. From what I understand of it it was a complete hazard

Linux kernel has I think tens of millions of lines of code for reference.


I don’t understand what the downside of this is. That’s hilarious for them to expect, and you’re free to ignore them, take their suggestion and work on it, help them.

It can't be helped either way if it's public, but I was reminded of this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26192025


Reminds me of "Jia Tan" using sock puppets to bully the maintainer of a critical infrastructure project.

I haven’t looked at OpenClaw but I get the impression anyone could build it. It doesn’t do anything technically impressive, does it?

>anyone could build it

Then why hasn't anyone else done it before?

With hindsight, it's always easy to say anyone could have done it too, but there's more to product success than just coding and shipping an app out the door.

The first iPhone was built using COTS(commercial off the shelf) parts that Nokia, Ericsson and Motorola also had access to, and SW tools they also had access to, yet Apple won and buried the other companies because their end-product was way more popular with the customer base. I'm sure engineers from Nokia, Ericsson and Motorola also said "we could have done exactly the same thing with the right leadership" when they saw that.

I also say "I could have done that" when I see how the maker of Flappy Bird became a multi millionaire, or how any other top 100 AppStore slop app has 100+ million downloads.

Coding skills are dime a dozen these days. A lot of people can do 95% of these things now. The differentiator between failure and success, comes with the 5% rest: network effects, market know-how, promotion, timing, outreach, UI, UX, luck, etc.


I agree it was a good idea and there’s more to product success, but you were specifically talking about coding skill level.

There are some things I could easily say I (and many others) could not build even in retrospect. Solidworks, for example is beyond a lot of people’s skill level and very difficult to build.

Flappy bird and open claw, not so much.


Many people have! Nanoclaw, LocalGPT, Moltis, Thoth, Q-Claw... the list goes on.

Well your previous comment sure made it sound like you were talking about level of coding skill.

The book was written well before the internet was invented, but it still warns against exactly that kind of shallow manipulation.

The book may as well be called “how to be a cool person that is well liked and people respect”


Can you elaborate?

It's a book that is much more interested in presenting an almanac-esque survey of everything that was happening in cryptography at the time it was written (also unhelpful: it was written at a particularly un-rigorous point in the evolution of cryptography) than it is in teaching readers how to accomplish anything safely.

The idea is for it to he extremely minimal which strikes me as a very opinionated stance, and not opinions I agree with.

What type of software are you talking about?

You don’t need to be sneaky. Just require all contributing PRs to say openclaw.

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