I haven't used any of the things you mentioned (except for an iPad) for a decade or so, but I can assure you they were all awful then compared to my experience years earlier with them.

For the record, I have seen every one of those in cloud based hosting multiple times. None of those issues require special work any more than they do than in traditional hosting.

What you say?

Where in that link are instructions provided for someone to use it without a mobile phone? I see instructions for calling, but that still requires a mobile phone (or if we're being generous, a street with a payphone nearby).

> Maybe it's because I live in the Bay Area so the culture is affected by the proximity of tech companies. But my family in the middle of the country mostly seem to be on the same page, so I don't know how you explain that.

I can explain that. 100% of Americans add up to roughly 5% of the worlds population. As such, there are billions of non American users with very different viewpoints and opinions.

Most of the world aren't American and we can afford our legal systems ;).

Thankfully shariah court is free. Inshallah

If Spotify doesn't give you the controls you want... Don't use Spotify?

If my local park had a series of rotating knives and the council refused to do anything about it, I wouldn't let my kids go down there, supervised or not.

I agree parenting in the digital world is harder. You either learn how to do it to your standard or you don't allow the child to be part of that world if you are incapable or don't want to.

Don't pay and when you get a fine take them to court and state you don't have a bank card. There's jo wat a council can legally require you to enter into an agreement with a bank to use council run facilities, it's likely nobody's challenged them on it though.

Every council I've lived in has still taken cash for every type of council fee, despite their "official" statement being they don't.

> There's jo wat a council can legally require you to enter into an agreement with a bank to use council run facilities, it's likely nobody's challenged them on it though.

Is there some law saying they can’t?

This is a carpark. If you own a car, you are legally required to hold a CTP insurance policy as a condition of registration-so to be able to use the facility, you legally need to be customer of one type of private financial institution; given that, is it really problematic if council requires you to be a customer of a second kind as well, when close to 100% of the population are?

The catch would be you actually need to have zero bank cards. That is extremely unlikely hence no one has done it.

That's a valid sounding argument. However many people with no strong view either way are producing functional, good code with AI daily, and the original context of this thread is about someone who has never been able to produce anything committable. Many, many real world experiences show something excellent and ready to go from a simple one shot.

Using your analogy, if every restaurant in town had a problem where most people wanted to come in and get food for free (and it was an expectation in the industry) and people refused to go in and pay, everyone would be upset they could no longer go out to eat when there were none left. If nobody is interested in paying for their meal, you can't be shocked the ingredient and chef quality drops in turn.

> if every restaurant in town had a problem where most people wanted to come in and get food for free (and it was an expectation in the industry)

Then the industry itself would not be very sustainable, wouldn't it? In that case, I would expect the industry to radically change or to disappear like many other industries whose expectations were made unsustainable by tech progress. For some reason, we're incredibly excited of it happening to coding, music, art, but not to journalism. Journalism must survive in its current form at all costs.