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So you are OK with it if I paint a big mural on your car, home, laptop, phone?

That’s not what happened here. Your strawman is showing.

Art is cool.

Painting your art on someone else's private property is not.

Pushing your political agenda in public spaces is especially not cool. I just want to walk outside and enjoy the world, don't want your political agenda pushed on me.


imagine telling people not to bring their politics to "the world" so you can enjoy it. the world isn't a product you ordered.

i mean a modicum of reflection shows you that what you are suggesting would in fact be imposing your own political agenda on everyone else.


Is it morally or socially acceptable to paint over someone else's private property?

Looked it up on Google. I don't like people claiming public space to push their personal agenda. Those alleys are for everyone, stop using it for your personal agenda. Please make a-political art.

No. I will not make apolitical art.

That is fine. Just don't use private property in the public space for it. Put it in an art gallery somewhere.

Hero.

Pushing your personal agenda in public spaces on people by using someone's private property makes you a hero?

Yes. Otherwise, only those with money get to choose what messages are shown to the public.

For most people this can replace an iPhone Pro, a MacBook Neo and their iPad.

For those people, $2000 is a good price for a device that does all their digital work.


Perhaps with a PopSocket.

Renting. It's $57 per month for 24 months and then you have to hand it in.

So you pay $1368 for the privilege of using the Duo for 2 years.


You get the choice to pay the remaining value of the phone and keep it, or enter a new "lease" agreement for a brand new phone at the end of the term. The formula is simple:

purchase fee = device list price – lease payments made – remaining discounts or trade-in credits.

If you're paying $1368 over 24 months, you could pay the remaining $632 after those 24 months and keep it with 0% interest.


So let's say you go to Hertz or Avis at the airport, you get a car for a month at $1700. The car has an MSRP of $40,000 and Hertz/Avis gives you the option to buy the car for $38,300 after you return it.

Is that leasing or renting in your country?


Let's say you go to BMW or Lexus or Ford. You pay them $3000 and agree to pay them $500 a month for the next 3 years to use the car according to some conditions. The car is worth $60,000. You pay $21,000 over those three years. When you bring it back, they offer to let you buy it outright or to just hand it over to the dealer.

Is that leasing or renting in your country?

Is the difference between renting and leasing even meaningful? You chose a car rental agency for your example because it costs more per month to rent from a short-term rental agency. What is a lease but a long term loan? What difference does it make that I rent my apartment by signing a document called a "lease agreement"? Am I a renter? Or a leaser?

Renting/leasing is not automatically bad. The terms are what make one a good or a bad deal.


Is that $3000 a deposit that you get if you return it in good condition? In that case we would definitely call that renting.

> Is the difference between renting and leasing even meaningful?

Where I live, yes. If you lease you are the owner, with the financing company having the ability to seize it when you don't pay. If you rent you are not the owner, but are allowed to use it. Renting is a bit plebeian.


"Plebian" is a value judgement informed by class politics, which means it is laughable to take it seriously.

Lease. You can buy it out at the predefined price at the end.

English is not my first language, sorry. If you have a device that you pay a monthly fee for, but you can't keep it at the end of the contract, where I am from we call that renting.

Leasing is a financial construction where you actually own the product / property, with the bank having the option to claim it if you fail to pay.


This is not true, with leasing you don't own the product or property at all. Leasing is basically long-time rent. For example, when you lease a car, you don't own it - the leasing company does. In some cases, you can buy out the object at the end of the lease (like cars), in some cases you can't (like apartments).

> a financial construction where you actually own the product / property, with the bank having the option to claim it if you fail to pay.

This is called financing - basically, buying a thing with bank's money which they give you as a loan. For high-value purchases, there are often limitations on what you can do with the object, or requirements (like a requirement to have homeowner insurance for mortgages), but there are usually less restrictions compared to lease since you are the owner.


Ah.

Renting is you pay $X a month and when the contact ends everyone walks away. You don’t get the thing back, the other party does.

Leasing is close but slightly different. You still pay $X, you still don’t own it and can walk away at the end.

But with a lease you are given a choice to buy the thing at a pre-arranged price when the lease is over. So when you sign the contract you know that at the end you can pay $700 and it’s yours. Or you can still walk away.

It’s far, far more common with cars. The dealership guesses how much the car will be worth and offers you at lease based on that. If the car is worth more at the end of the lease than your buyout price, you can buy the car cheaper then you could, on the open market. If it’s worth less, you can walk away. You didn’t lose as much as you would have if you had gotten a loan, and you could go buy the same car used if you wanted for less.

For something like a phone, I’m not sure it really matters that much. So I don’t know why they decided to do leases.


It’s a lease, not rent. I don’t know the exact numbers on this but you can pay “rent” for two years and then pay like $300 (I don’t know what the right number is here) at the end to own it outright at that point. So at the end of the day you pay like $200 more than someone that buys it outright from the get go.

The upgrade program cost including the buyout is the exact same price as if you paid it all upfront.

Interesting. So everyone should be doing the lease.

No, because then you pay full price. If you buy your iPhone at a third party retailer the price is much lower.

The iPhone Air is €1329 at Apple and €849 at retailers.


I don’t think American retailers do the subscription model anymore, which is what would let them subsidize phones like this.

EU outermost region to be exact.

I wonder whether the Sámi people have been consulted or compensated for the use of their traditional lands as a rocket launch site. Given Norway’s long history of suppressing Sámi people and their land rights, I'd be interested to know how that was handled.

In this house we believe the first Neanderthal did not consent

Did the Sami compensate the Indo-Europeans they displaced?

Interesting:

   Just south of the launchpad lies Bukkekjerka, a protected Sami cultural monument. Prior to Christianity, sacrifices were made within a cave facing the sea. In most recent times, for the past half-century, there has been an annual open-air church service, which attracts many from across Andøya – perhaps even some who remember or even resided in the disappeared town of Haugnes. 
https://www.cryopolitics.com/2022/10/06/on-norways-auroral-e...

The first thing that came into my mind was the fragile ecosystem up there. All considered this doesn't sound like a very thoughtful process.

And of course as pointed out elsewhere, Norway isn't even EU. I wonder how happy people were if rocket launches were done in rural Western Europe.


Really comes in handy to still have a couple of colonies near the equator.

It's also better to have the massive amounts of emissions far away from your own population.


French Guiana is not a colony, it is a region of France. People who live there have the same constitutional rights as anyone living in mainland France.

It has the same status in France as Alaska does in the US.


That's legally true, but I think it misses the distinction between formal political status and the legacy of colonialism. French Guiana is an overseas department of France, and its residents have French citizenship and constitutional rights. But that doesn't mean the historical relationship was equivalent to mainland France, or that the effects of that history disappeared when the legal status changed.

The same point applies elsewhere: Guinea became independent from French colonial rule in 1958, but independence didn't magically erase the economic structures, institutions, and inequalities inherited from colonialism. Today, a large share of Guinea's population still lives in poverty despite the country's enormous natural-resource wealth.

So "it's not a colony" is correct as a matter of constitutional law. But using that fact to imply that colonial history is irrelevant to present-day economic and social conditions is a much stronger claim, and one that's harder to defend.


While I agree with your analysis, would you think is the best to use the same generic term "colonialism" for both the situations in French Guyana and let's say Venezuela in the last year? I would prefer more words to differentiate a bit, but maybe that's just me.

How does it compare to Alaska? Wasn't it purchased as a colony from russians to exploit Alaskan gold with complete disreagrd for opinion of the native population?

A better comparison is with Hawaii.

Alaska is a colony is well, and so is the rest of North America.

We don't think of the US and Canada as colonies because the vast majority of the native population was genocided.


They mostly died from European diseases without ever meeting a European. It wasn't even planned or known by the European "visitors".

Everywhere is a colony if the out of Africa theory is to be believed. The native peoples displaced by Europeans migrating from Asia.

It's a colony even if it's legally part of France.

(Had to check: free movement does apply to Guianans, but in the other direction it's not part of Schengen)


France has only one citizenship, everyone holds the same French passport so everyone has the same freedom of movement within the EU.

It's not in Schengen, like most overseas territories in the EU, to limit illegal immigration into the EU (see Ceuta as well).

I don't thing the term "colony" holds. It is anachronic and refers to a system that no longer exists.


Ireland is not part of Schengen as well for example, it is because that is much harder to practically achieve for folks living on islands.

Ireland is not part of Schengen because the UK never was (and they wanted to keep the Common Travel Area).

Guianans tend to get pissed off if outsiders suggest in any way that they are any different as a French region from l'Hexagone (the French mainland). Your banging on about colonies would not be well received there.

For what it's worth, Metropolitan France used to claim Algeria wasn't a colony either.

Becoming French was an amazingly good reward for being pirates and slave traders.

A fully loaded Falcon 9 carries less kerosene than 1 (one single) A380. What level of concerntrolling is this?

>Really comes in handy to still have a couple of colonies near the equator.

>It's also better to have the massive amounts of emissions far away from your own population.

That's the dumbest comment i read since a long time, thanks.


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