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It's not streets that smell, it's the cars. And you're right - nobody enjoys having a walk near a street with heavy car traffic. That's why in Europe a lot of streets in the city centers are designed in a way to discourage driving, providing ring roads and public transport options instead.


They are funded by donations: https://liberapay.com/Liberapay/


Do you suppose their 41 members split the 700 euros evenly each month or have some kind of Ramen group buy system?


No need to guess: https://liberapay.com/Liberapay/income/ . Most money goes to the creator of Liberapay, and I would not be surprised if it would mainly cover the costs of running the service.


It's usually done by publishing IRC logs on a webpage.

Examples: - https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23ubuntu.html - http://irc.yoctoproject.org/irc/%23yocto.2024-01-05.log.html

How discoverable it is on Google depends only on Google and on how those logs are stored.


Forum threads inherently have better searchability, because conversations are split into separate pages, with a clear subject/title, and usually a description of what the thread is about at the beginning of the page.

In theory IRC logs could be organized appropriately. But that would require some kind of curation, either manual or via AI, that doesn't really happen in practice, even when irc logs are published.


Not true; it’s usually simply not done at all.


I'm pretty sure that this (and a little bit more) is already present in KDE and it's called Activities. It's not very popular, possibly because it's not "marketed" enough IMO.


> OS: Android 9.0

That's a 4 year old Android version. This should not be acceptable.

I like the form factor though.


While I agree it's ridiculous to continue selling a device with Android 9 in 2023, the atom was released in 2018.

The newer Jelly 2e runs android 12 and is a similar form factor. I've had high hopes for unihertz phones, but have yet to actually pull the trigger on one.

https://www.unihertz.com/products/jelly-2e


YunoHost is another solution to that. I've been using it for over a year now and it's really nice


FWIW, SourceHut offers Mercurial hosting.


From the site: Notice: sr.ht is currently in alpha, and the quality of the service may reflect that.

:(

I miss Kiln from FogBugz (yes, it was years ago)


SourceHut is more reliable than GitHub. I mean this in the truest sense of the word, I can rely on SourceHut not to act against my interests, both ideologically and just basic usefulness.


I thought so too at first, until the owner changed their TOS to forbid all crypto and blockchain related projects, essentially kicking me off their platform.

So no, it's not reliable. The platform is at the behest of a small group of ideologists, who might change their stance on any topic on a whim.

GitHub on the contrary continues to host code that has been OFAC sanctioned. I'd rather stay with them.


Moment, what?

SourceHut bans customers purely on ideological grounds?

If true, this would change my opinion about this service diametrically. That would result in: Never ever make business with them.


https://sourcehut.org/blog/2022-10-31-tos-update-cryptocurre...

Yes, it's a really bad move, you pay for the service but the nature of your code is not welcomed.

Like you i was a bit shocked too...well and a bit sad since i was thinking that a hosting i pay for should give me more freedom and not less, and that code(knowledge?) should be free.


I think you're mixing up what "freedom" is in regards to open source.

Sourcehut's code gives a user the freedom to use it for whatever they want - including hosting their own crypto-currency projects.

sr.ht the "service" on the other hand is not required to do a thing and denying users the ability to host those projects doesn't contradict any licence the code has been released under.


The point isn't any license.

The point is that's it's not the business of a hoster to decide what people may host.

A hoster gets money for hosting things. Ideally the hoster does not even know what he's hosting. (Until there is a problem with that that someone else points out to the hoster; which the hoster should than just ignore in case this someone isn't an authority with a valid court order in hands).

As a parallel: Just imagine your ISP would start to filter the web sites you may visit based on some arbitrary ideological believes. That's more or less the same to what's happening on SourceHut, imho.


I'm sorry but that's a terrible comparison. If internet providers would not be in the habit of snooping and filtering on their customer's traffic would we have debates about net neutrality, would we need HTTPS?, would VPNs be a thing?, would we need Tor?, would there be a Dark Web? Granted I'm over dramatizing the situation, but the fact is that internet providers are in fact snooping for themselves, or for law enforcement, denying customers the use of certain ports or protocols, injecting content into non-secure content, etc.

I can understand one being upset that sourcehut's policy changed "after" paying for an account, but you can just stop paying for the service and move to a different forge. Being butthurt that people have different principles than you is not cool.


> I'm sorry but that's a terrible comparison.

Do you have any arguments that would bake this claim? Where's the difference?

> If internet providers would not be in the habit of snooping and filtering on their customer's traffic […]

What are you talking about? This does not happen as it would be illegal. At least in civilized countries.

(Given a court order for lawful interception there may be exceptions to that, of course).

> net neutrality

This term means something else.

> we need HTTPS

For other reasons.

One of them being rogue states that snoop on people's traffic. [Not looking in the direction of north America now].

> VPNs

That's similar to HTTPS.

Also it circumvents state level censoring, which is needed by now in quite some countries.

> Tor

That's even more in the direction of hiding form state surveillance.

Your ISP usually knows that you're using Tor…

> Dark Web

That's a very unclear term, btw. And it has nothing to do with anything an ISP does.

> but the fact is that internet providers are in fact snooping for themselves

Like I said: Not in civilized countries, as this would be a breach of the constitutional right to privacy of correspondence.

> law enforcement

That's a tangent. Everybody besides a culprit needs to cooperate with law enforcement.

> denying customers the use of certain ports or protocols

You could do this in theory. But you wouldn't be selling internet access anymore in this case. This would be like AOL or Compuserve back then.


>I think you're mixing up what "freedom" is in regards to open source.

I don't talk about opensource or any license, i talk about that when i pay for a service i can host any code i created for whatever use it is.

But talking about licenses (since you don't think it's one of the freedom's) that's exactly what definition of opensource means:

https://opensource.org/osd

>6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor

The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research.


Yes, but the service is not the code. The license applies to the code. I can't believe you can't perceive that distinction.

And when you pay for a service, you can do whatever that service allows you to do, which in this case is "not" crypto-currency projects.


> I can't believe you can't perceive that distinction.

You had that misunderstanding not i.

>you can do whatever that service allows you to do

Yeah look i stop here if you think that's a good decision.


I wouldn't blame them considering most crypto related things are scams. To protect the platform, its best that it just not be there. While github has the money to defend youtube-dl, the truth is the RIAA killed it.

If you're doing scammy things, stick to fossil and host it on your own.


SourceHut offers CI. People end up just using the CI for litecoin/bitcoin/eth/etc mining or the storage for chia mining.


Wrong. See Drew DeVault's (founder of SourceHut) comment on exactly this topic:

> Q: How much of this is due to not wanting build/pipeline servers getting abused for mining purposes?

> A: None: the mining incidents stopped entirely when we started charging for CI and it stopped being profitable to do it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33404713

As you can see, CI had nothing to do with their decision. The ToS changes specifically refer to source code hosting.


Agreed. Moved all my stuff from GitHub to Sourcehut. Haven't looked back. Well, okay, I look at the trending repos and star some that are interesting, but I don't host my personal projects on there.


Moving to another instance is pretty easy: https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/#migration

It doesn't move your toots, but followers don't have to do anything to still follow you on your new account.


> It doesn't move your toots

does that even count as migrating then


I think yes, but if you really want, then you can migrate your toots by exporting them from the old instance and importing on the new one: https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2019/06/how-to-migrate-from-on...


Of course it does, but I do agree that it would be better if it did.


No seriously, I'm not being sarcastic.

You can't call keeping merely the contacts without emails themselves "migration of email provider". It makes no sense.

Also, you said "follower[s] don't have to do anything", but somehow you (the followee) on the other hand needs to actively move? What if my follower is on this instance too and they don't actively move? Shouldn't their account disappear (and you lost your follower)? I genuinely don't understand how it would work other than everyone has to manually move together.


False equivalence, it's a _social network_, and you can, indeed, migrate your social network.


That's mistaking the map for the terrain. It's a networked system for leaving and retrieving messages. It's not a group of friends. The way you expect to migrate a messaging system is by moving the messages.


To confirm, I wish they would migrate posts, too, but I do not believe that the lack of that means that you cannot call it a migration.

However, your definition seems overly pedantic? It defines itself[0] as a social network with an emphasis on audience. Messaging is merely the method of interaction.

[Edit] "audience" is incorrect, I should've said "people"

0: https://joinmastodon.org/


A "social network" is a networked system for leaving and retrieving messages. Again, it is not a group of friends. It is a messaging system for a group of friends, just like a map is a graphical system for navigating a piece of terrain.


It seems as though you're putting emphasis on the wrong thing. Mastodon clearly believe the emphasis is on the _network_, as in, the people you follow and who follow you.

But I'm not entirely sure why you're arguing semantics with me. It can, by their definition, be considered migration.


> It seems as though you're putting emphasis on the wrong thing.

No, I'm just trying to be clear. If you can't move your messages in a messenger, you're not doing migration.

> It can, by their definition, be considered migration.

Their definition doesn't even require software. If they (and you) are trying to say that Mastodon is a group of friends, I'm going to beg to differ and say that it is a computer program that supports messaging.

edit: and why I'm going on an on about it? I'm clearly being persnickety, but because I think it's an important distinction, especially irt expectations that a user would have. The mystery for me is why you would insist that a messaging system that can't migrate messages has implemented migration.


You're not making a distinction, you're classifying it incorrectly. Containing a messaging component does not make it a messenger.

It's a social network, it clearly believes that the connections between people is the most important part of its offering. It can migrate a user and their connections.

Again, I would enjoy it if it did take posts, too, but clearly they disagree. I'm not going to say that they cannot claim it to be a migration as a result of that.


It's not a messenger, though. It's a social network.

And you can disagree with that, just as I do you.

Post migration still supports messaging.


Sorry, wait, also you're definition of social network is incorrect. It /is/ a group of friends. It's a network made up of social relationships.

Think of it like business networking, but for your friends. The connection itself is what matters.


That's what "social networking" is, but not what a "social networking website" is. Social networks don't require computers or websites.


I'm not the person who said that but I can take a swing at it:

If the person does not migrate off of the instance, they'll lose the account and yes, you'll lose a follower. But if they do migrate, both of you keep the connection.


For what it's worth, Ripcord[1] can do that (okay, it can open channels in separate tabs that can be moved to separate windows). And it is a native (Qt) application.

The only problem is that it's not free (with unlimited trial, though) and the development seems to have stopped. Still works okay for text chat, though.

[1]: https://cancel.fm/ripcord/


Not stopped. The next update is being worked on.


Hard to say if it'll be as smooth as iPhone, but my experience with PinePhone shows that Qt-based environments (Ubuntu Touch, SailfishOS, even KDE) are way smoother than Phosh, which is based on Gtk. PinePhone isn't the most powerful phone out there, but I'd risk saying that SailfishOS is pretty smooth on it.


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