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It's certainly more creating than adding a link to your commission junction page. It'll probably get more visibility too.


Just guessing, but it's probably because most browsers heavily cache the favicon image.


Surely it would be cached based on the image URL though, not based on the page URL, and different images could use different URLs. I still don't see how this would pose a problem.


Actually, I was just wondering whether this means that Chrome is no longer going to do so.


I'd be very interested in knowing what your site was. My email can be retrieved via my profile/blog. Maybe my similar experience can help you.

In a previous life, I ran tag-board.com, which placed a little javascript widget on your website that let your users interact with each other much like an irc channel. This was before ajax was even coined a term. The site still exists, but it's run down and I don't have anything to do with it anymore.

When I first started it, I never thought more than 100 people would ever use it. At it's peak, there were 600k accounts and tons of traffic that went along with that. At first I didn't care to make money, I was just happy that people used something I created, but when I realized I would need more than a $5/month hosting account, I started looking into options.

The first plan was actually a premium model - hack up a bunch of new features that would only be available to paying users and sell accounts for $20/year. It worked, and might for you as well. At some point, I had over 1,000 paying users.

After awhile, the problem was that hosting costs of the free accounts were eating a good part of the profits on the paid accounts AND I was spending a ton of time on maintainance. I felt responsible for pretty decent uptime/performance/bug-freeness since I had people paying money. A friend of mine pointed out that the amount of time/stress I was putting into this wasn't worth the money. This made a ton of sense to me. At that point, I strongly considered just keeping paying users alive until their year ran out, and then axing the whole thing. I then realized that if I was willing to get rid of all my free users anyway, I might as well try something aggressive - I found an ad network and ran popups on the non-premium accounts. This was ~2002. To my surprise, I got fairly minimal grief, more premium signups, no noticeable drop in usage, and enough income to make it worth my while to keep going. This lasted awhile, but popup revenue slowly dried up - firefox and other browsers started killing the popups. I had handed the whole thing off to someone else well before that happened though.

If I were to do it again, I think I'd do the obvious thing that nobody recommended and just charge everyone for the service, although a much smaller fee (maybe $5/yr). I'd let people sign up for free, use the account for a month, and then switch it over to showing an "ad" of sorts on the owner's website where the widget otherwise would be. Clicking through would let the user interact with the widget, but on the "ad" would also be an option for a user of the website to buy the site owner a subscription to this widget. This would dramatically increase the number of potential customers and would essentially be like a tip jar for the website owner. Users could buy the widget as a gift for a website they like to use. At the same time, I wouldn't try to stop people from just creating a new account and getting another month of free usage, but I'd annoy them forcing them to do this every month.

I don't actually know if this would work, but I think it would. I suspect there would be fewer users. However, as a side benefit, you would know what this is worth to those users, which is a nice feeling. The negative here that scares many people from going this route is that if you suddenly start charging, you really do have to provide a service. You can't go down for 2 weeks. And you have to do a little bit of customer service (emails, refunds, fix bugs) or find someone to do it for you.


Agreed, don't go the SEO route - it's not a long-term play.


You got your javascript widget and your noscript tag. You could even stick some regular HTML with a link (possibly an image instead of text) below those. Your users will copy-paste the widget along with your link.

This is a pretty strong SEO technique. You should be doing that already. You don't need to stick unrelated links there, just link back to your Twitter-themed site.


... Which gets him more unmonetized traffic. But yeah, of course he should be doing that.

Note: I wouldn't use the noscript tag. I'd either have a div that was replaced via javascript or a small/light chunk of html below the javascript. Pretty good chance of noscript tags getting dinged by Google given how they are being used.


You're only supposed to have one NOSCRIPT tag per document


One kind of ad you could run that wouldn't have trouble with cramming into a widget is popups.

Don't downvote me because you hate popups, so do I. It's a legitimate possibility that you might consider looking into. If it's a question of shutting down the service because of bleeding costs or running popups on 5% of pageviews, its an interesting question.


This is a great idea if you want to get rid of all your users. Nobody likes popups, and the people whose sites contain the widget would consider it a dick move and uninstall it immediately, I suspect.


I agree, but this also solves his paying for bandwidth problem.


I've long wondered if this kind of approach is actually something that affiliate programs would allow if you got big. You are not promoting their wares, you are simply profiting off of organic promotion that would have occurred anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon or whomever decided to close your account if you started making significant amounts of money.


Deal aggregating sites do this I am pretty sure, slickdeals.com for example.

If someone clicks on a link that your widget provided (a link that would not have otherwise been there) it seems like you are actually providing value to the company.


The link would be there regardless of whether or not you (as an advertiser) ran an affiliate program.


Maybe a minor quibble, but isn't DDG powered by Yahoo BOSS with features added on top? Yet, Rob then goes on to say "Yahoo can't be taken seriously" and points out queries where Yahoo does a poor job of handing synonyms - DDG has the same problem for the exact same query if you try it. Furthermore, the other queries which he suggests give irrelevant results on Google seem to give me irrelevant results on DDG.


DDG is actually a hybrid of my own crawling/indexing and BOSS/Bing/others. Additionally, I don't use the others straight up. So for some queries they may look similar and for others they will look completely different.

Wrt to spam sites, DDG often looks a lot different because I maintain a large database of spam sites that I remove from results. I see these crop up all the time in the API feeds I use. It's over 60M in just the main tlds (non country level domains).


Among the differences, DDG blocks MFA content mills and junk sites. If you report one they add it quite fast.


Yahoo certainly tries to do that too, although I guess you're getting the union of yahoo/bing's spam-fighting and DDG's spam fighting.

I suspect that of the two, yahoo's has a much bigger impact given the size of the teams involved.


Actually I remove tons of spam from the Yahoo, Bing & other feeds.


What order of magnitude is tons? Not to take away from what you're doing, but historically 90% of new domains are spam.


I'd have to check for exact numbers, but for a large % of searches I'm removing links from those APIs.


> If you report one they add it quite fast.

Probably because few people report sites.


That is alot of speculation for something that the article says is "rejected by the scientific community at large" and "yet to be verified".


It's the "panspermia angle" that's "rejected by the scientific community at large", whereas the other findings (i.e. lack of DNA) are "yet to be verified". One step at a time: they may not be able to show extraterrestrial origin, but they have experimental evidence of reproduction at high heat, and an apparent lack of genetic material. If nothing else, those points are _extremely_ interesting.


It's easier to dismiss theories than nail one...


I guess the question is, why does this theory deserve to not be dismissed? There are (pulling a number out of my ass) tens of thousands of theories on anything and certainly not enough resources to test them all. I think the burden of proof rests with those pushing a new idea. There are people working on this, but without further substantiation, there's nothing special about it.


http://google.com/search?q=sunset+in+paris - this will even tell you when the sun isn't going to set or rise in extreme latitudes.


If you like Buddhabrot, a friend of mine used MapReduce to create a high-res image of Buddhabrot's cousin: Nebulabrot. Kinda fun.

How it was done: http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2008/01/databases_are_hamme...

Images: http://www.danvk.org/wp/2007-04-06/nebulabrot/


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