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That was a slim majority of who voted at the time. Leave voters heavily skewed older. Even just taking out the people who have died since the vote would result in a remain vote. 15 years worth of younger voters would overwhelmingly vote for remain.

Unless they change their minds in the meantime.


Isn’t that what Sacks is doing when he talks about the ‘entitled elite’ being ‘mad’?


I’ve heard you get used to jail too.


It’s a complex app. There is no reason it shouldn’t use something specific to 16.2.

If you are suggesting it could have been backported, that’s probably true, but by that logic most software has ‘artificial limitations’.

That said, from what I can tell this is part of 16.2 - I.e. it’s a new built-in app on a par with notes or photos. The store entry is just a way to get it back on the Home Screen if you delete it.


You’re not wrong. They look absolutely terrible, and frankly, much worse than just using Word or Pages.

A big reason why people love TeX is the quality of the output.


The only one of these that is a ‘bug’ is the failure to ring on android.

The rest are all feature requests.

That said, it’s interesting to see what people think are basic requirement for a messaging app these days.


If you want to be reductionist, everything is a feature. But if an app is missing something so basic as to impact usability, I might consider it a bug. It's a matter of opinion where the line is, of course.

Uncontroversial example: a calculator app that doesn't have a divide key. Technically, yes, it's a separate feature from the multiply key, but it's so basic, so expected, that its absence is a bug.

From the above list, I consider "No easy way to do and restore backups on Android and impossible to do backups on their PC client" a bug, or at least a frustrating omission by design.


>The rest are all feature requests.

More like missing basic features. I never said all are bugs, I said some are bugs and that all these things exist and work on the other alternatives like WhatsApp or Telegram


Ok, but that means your criteria for a basic messenger app is something that does everything that all the other messaging apps do.


No, that's not just my criteria, but Signal's own, when they entered the market as an alternatives to WhatsApp.

If you climb in the ring with Ali, then you'd better be able to box.

And it's also the criteria of millions of other users who have not switched to Signal because of the bugs, quirks, and lack of basic features for a modern messaging app.

Just being able to send encrypted ASCII characters to someone is not enough to make a good messaging app these days.


No, they are your personal criteria. Your “gripes” as you said.

> And it's also the criteria of millions of other users who have not switched to Signal because of the bugs, quirks, and lack of basic features for a modern messaging app.

You have absolutely no knowledge that this is why people haven’t switched, indeed it’s highly unlikely that it would have been as successful as it has if this were the case. People move to Signal because they distrust Facebook and telegram.

The more logical explanation is simply network effects and inertia. Occam’s razor.


The camera thing is definitely a bug, on iOS there are issues, too (eg doesn’t rotate pictures from landscape to portrait correctly).


Taking poor pictures, if it is due to using the wrong API is also a bug.


What do you recommend as an alternative?


XMPP with OMEMO e2ee. Fallback to jitsi meet for video calling, although several xmpp clients support video calling to each other.


Jitsi Meet is pretty good for video, and relatively easy to self-host, though you'll need some decent resources for it. The docker-jitsi-meet project[0] can get you started quickly

Signal's "source available" infra can be self-hosted but it's huge effort and relies on a bunch of cloud-specific services which need to be replaced with self-hostslable alternatives. It's also extremely poorly documented and the code quality is fairly mediocre. I wouldn't recommend trying to host Signal infra yourself; it can be done; I've done it at work and it took some months of effort, and maintaining it is a nightmare (or was, then at least) because they'd only push one huge update to GitHub quarterly or less often.

[0]https://github.com/jitsi/docker-jitsi-meet


keybase.io has been great, although it's not without its risks either since it was acquired by Zoom. It's still up and seemingly maintained but AFAIK there's no new feature work.

I've heard WhatsApp recommended from people I trust, but I have never personally used it so can't speak from experience.


A lot of people moved to Signal because of WhatsApps changes so that advice can thought of as misleading at best.

Your suggested alternatives are owned by Zoom and Facebook. I'll stick with Signal.


The legal team at the company I work for are suggesting to remove keybase and treat it as compromised as there is no way of knowing of keys and other data has not been shared with the Chinese government. No proof at all of course, just the world we live in I guess :)


As a Facebook owned app, I don't trust WhatsApp.

All of them being tied to a phone number is bad form.


WhatsApp seems like a non-starter based on this list of complaints. It’s hard to imagine someone who doesn’t trust Moxie, but does trust Zuck.


> keybase.io has been great

> Crypto thing they attempted

well...


matrix/element.


> Surveys show that majorities of African-Americans, Californians, Democrats and Hispanics all oppose the use of race in college admissions (and in other areas).


When you say “these journalists”, do you mean the economist?


It’s pretty much all mainstream media on both the left and right.


And why is the Economist mainstream? It's a British publication.


If the advertisers leave and Twitter becomes a paid service, that seems like a good thing, doesn’t it?


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