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In my view duration is not the problem, but copyright itself is. Nobody should expect to be "passively" paid for a job/effort made at a past point in time. You work 40 hours this week, you get paid 40 hours at whatever your rate.

Authors should use other ways to charge for their 40/80 hours work, and when released it should be in the public domain.

Scientists have learned to do it (by getting tenured or postdocs), im sure other can do it.


What about something you've made for fun but haven't made any money from? Should someone else be allowed to sell and profit from your work?

I'm not expecting to be "passively paid" for my hobbies. But I'm expecting that someone won't steal and profit from the things I make. Why would that be fair?


Say my hobby is statue making. I design and create a concrete statue that I failed to sell. Whether that be because I did not try or because I could not find a buyer, I could not sell it.

So I took it, and I put it in my pile of completed works: a pile of crumbling statute rubble by the roadside. In the digital case, maybe it was posted online and the pile is a timeline or portfolio.

Someone in a pick up truck drives by sees it, takes it, and sells it for half $1 million to a trust fund baby.

Was the output of my work and therefore the half $1 million stolen from me?

If there was nothing physical to take, and I had never tried to or successfully sold it to anyone and somebody else does it, was I stolen from or did I just fail to sell?

And then if I get my knickers in a twist over that sale I have to ask myself: is my hobby to be a sales person and to sell art or is my hobby to be an artist and make art?


For a concrete statue there sure are suspicious large amounts of straw peeking through

So no authors, directors, or any other creative work that can be stolen & duplicated? Why don’t we get rid of patent laws too while we’re at it?

Unironically, let’s get rid of patent laws while we’re at it.

The advancement of technology would take off if we did not have patent trolls telling us what you could, and could not use understand and improve.

Just imagine what Palworld could be if it didn’t have to spend the last year two years, however long spending all of their budget fighting a patent case against the biggest fucking gaming company in the world instead of paying their developers to add new features and pals.

Imagine what crazy awesome intense games could be made with the nemesis system.

The patent is the coward‘s bargain.


I also remember SourceForge fondly, before the ad infested thing.

Specially, I remember not "getting" Github at some point. Bitbucket had mercurial support, sourceforge had SVN, and all the Cool projects lived in SF (I'm talking mid/late 2000s).

The first time I navigated into a github project and just saw the code three I was puzzled. (SF was centered on the project/product while GH focused on the code.


Hey, I also remember Launchpad and Bazar, and adding an individual new source to my apt. Launchpad had something like CI before everyone from what I remember.

Interesting.

I spent 8 years in academia (2004 - 2012) before moving to Industry. But as I've aged I've thinking of going back. I made it good in Industry so I have enough to jump to Academia without worrying about money... but I just hated the "publish or perish" mentality, and writing papers (I wonder what's the state of that now with LLMs... back in the day I was reviewer for some journals and most papers were pretty bad).


I understand your point and clearly see that LLMs cannot be compared to audio ... but ...

Back when I was a kid, music, audio and sound systems had high quality as a standard.

Nowadays people listen to music mostly with bluetooth headphones which basically recompress an already compressed audio signal to send them in low quality. Also, it is more and more difficult to find OK stereos that play music in good quality. Either, you have to pay very high prices for overpriced "audiophile" equipment, or you are stuck with cheap chinese MP3 players.

Yet, society and markets have spoken. Sometimes society is happy to accept marginally worse products in exchange of price and convenience.


This hit very close home. I'm a 44 year old developer, with Software Engineering Bachellors and CompSci MPhil and PhD. All my life I spearheaded "best practices" and code quality (from Fred Brooks, Joel Sposky, Martin Fowler, etc...).

But since LLMs arrived... things have become crazy. The layer of "obscurity" that permeates code writing seems to make a lot of those "standards" moot or just not really pragmatically possible to follow.


Gemini, Give me examples of people that the US has retained passports pending investigations

It's standard procedure in every country for some investigations.


And what exactly are these founders being investigated for?

Breaking the export rules. Tech workers should be used to the idea of a "Invention Assignment Agreement".

Manus was built in China and all of its development happened there. In order to skirt Chinese review of the deal they tried to close down shop there and move to Singapore.

I don't think China is being unreasonable. I'm sure the US would act exactly the same way if an American tech company raised money from China and then tried to close down in the US and move all of its IP and technology to a different country so that it can be bought out by Alibaba or Bytedance without having to deal with US approval


There is no equivalent exit ban in the US that can be instituted on a whim for regulatory or business disputes. If you want to know more, you can read up on it in this Stanford Journal of International Law publication:

"Legal Strategy for Commercial Hostage-taking and Business Exit Bans" https://law.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/SJIL_60-...


Do you read the news? Whether or not to stop Nippon Steel's acquisition of U.S. Steel was being discussed everywhere. On what basis was that power?

> Nippon Steel's acquisition of U.S. Steel can be stopped by the US President based on a recommendation from the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS), citing risks to national security under Section 721 of the Defense Production Act.

National security risks. Exactly what China is citing. It's literally the exact same situation.

EDIT: In fact, the US regularly stops acquisition of US companies by China https://hvmilner.scholar.princeton.edu/sites/g/files/toruqf2...


I love that there is an actual 48-page research paper on the exact comment that you were responding to and completely refutes their assertion.

What a mic drop.


> Two days ago, President Trump issued an order blocking the $1.3 billion sale of a Portland, Ore.-based company called Lattice Semiconductor to private equity firm Canyon Bridge Capital Partners. The stated rationale for Trump’s order was national security.

https://hvmilner.scholar.princeton.edu/sites/g/files/toruqf2...


This is false equivalence.

Outside of immigration issues, you can only be made to surrender your passport if you have been arrested and indicted for a crime, as a part of bail. That power can only be granted by a judge.

China arbitrarily traps people in China without any such thing or any due process whatsoever.


> Outside of immigration issues, you can only be made to surrender your passport if you have been arrested and indicted for a crime, as a part of bail

This has historically not been the case, for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haig_v._Agee and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson


The first case makes sense: ex-CIA officer explicitly outing CIA officers. Naturally, the government is going to step in and it's a false equivalence to compare to restricting random citizens.

As for your second case, US schools teach about the perils of McCarthyism. You neglected to link to the subsequent Supreme Court ruling in 1958 overturning the confiscation of the passport over protected speech. Note how long ago that was and how it's taught as a black stain on US history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_v._Dulles


These aren't random citizens, these are people accused of violating export controls of sensitive, dual-use technology.

They seem to be the poster children for a flight risk.


Anyone with a child support order that makes decent money is only one misrecorded or bounced payment away from being ineligible for a passport. The trigger is only 4 digits of USD.

In the US, the Passport Denial Program, since 1998 (other developed countries enacted similar legislation), following the 1992 UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) [2]:

> The Child Support Enforcement Passport Denial Program was enacted as part of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996. While authorized in 1996, the program was jointly implemented by the U.S. Department of State and the Federal Office of Child Support Enforcement in June 1998.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_support#Enforcement

[1]: "The [US] Child Support Enforcement Passport Denial Program" https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IN12660

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._ratification_of_the_Conve...


So were these founders found violating a child support order?I'm still unclear on what crime they actually committed and what they're being investigated for.

Is it possible that they are merely pawns in a political dispute between two rival countries?

It's one thing to block an acquisition because you don't want your rival to gain an advantage, an action which is not limited to the CCP.

It's another thing to detain an individual when no crime was committed.


"Missing" (but quite often only due to a clerical misreporting) a payment isn't facially criminal and isn't even established as "violation" without a contempt hearing where you can argue why you didn't actually violate it. So the passport denial is even looser than that.

I'm just pointing out the bar isn't much different except dressed up in a think of the children meme. I'm not justifying either one.


Understood. I'd note that the difference is that with a missed payment, you can simply make that payment (which can be a relatively small one as you noted) and you're free and clear.

With these Chinese founders, I'm not sure it's quite so simple.


You didn't have to bring out the big gun usernames, we get it, you run a bot farm.

Did you respond to the wrong post?

> China arbitrarily traps people in China without any such thing or any due process whatsoever.

What makes you think there's no legal process for blocking nationals from leaving China?It's a very common instrument and in a bunch of countries it's an administrative measure with even less scrutinity than a judicial mandate. Do you consider France or the UK to be a countries without rule of law or due process?

But to the point in the US, for example, the government can just issue a warrant for you as a material witness or flag your passport and then you can't leave; these are hardly due processes and more like legal workarounds to do exactly the same thing; the US has disappeared plenty of people in much more sinister ways than that, however, so I agree that there's no equivalence here: the US is worse.


America is not exactly a shining moral example for the world, particularly these days, but these Chinese apologist takes can be a bit baffling to read at times.

It mostly doesn't make any sense and seems to be motivated by some kind of animus or bigotry. But maybe understandable given the current administration's behavior.

Funny, we now enter the era of "Made with Handcrafted Code" or "Handmade" . Same way as furniture, carpets and any other "handcrafts" are made now... or Lamborghinis

it's doubly funny because once the tools are released to public i bet majority of those high-res mods will be ai generated.

Can AI write a problem so difficult that even AI cannot solve?

Hehe


How about prime factorization

this was created by humans.

I want to focus on the "colleagues submit thousands of AI generated lines of code for review" comment.

Humanity developed Code and programming languages for people. They are supposed to provide sufficient expressiveness so that we people can understand what is happening, and 0 ambiguity, so that the machine can perform is instructions.

But computer code has been a way to communicate among us people on our intentions (what we intend the machine to do). Otherwise, we would still be writing in assembler.

But now, computers are generating code, A LOT of code. So much, that it's becoming more and more difficult to stay on top with our verbose languages.

We will need to develop a better way for the computers to a) produce the instructions to perform the tasks we tell them to , b) produce reports or some accessible way for us people to understand and share what the instructions are doing.


Haven't you seen all the layoffs? Ive been subscribed to r/layoffs for 5+ years, and since a couple of months ago, it's been crazy noisy.

My hypothesis is that companies dont want to offer cheaper nor better services. Only want to cut costs and keep the revenue for investors.

I other news, TQQQ is pretty high!


Subscribers will not enable these companies to make their money back. The only way is for them to eat the economy itself

I'm wondering whether the layoffs are partly targeting people who haven't adapted to using AI tools, particularly those who are openly dismissive of AI-assisted work.

That’s like firing someone because he uses vim instead of VSCode. Who cares about the tools someone uses if he still does his job well?

Because the job itself has now changed, and they haven't. Their output speed might have been eclipsed by that of the engineers who efficiently adopted the new tooling.

Where I work, the power dynamics have shifted wildly. There are a number of senior engineers who refuse to touch the stuff, and as a result, they can barely keep up with their peers. Some of our juniors are now running laps around them.

When a stranger to your craft can now teach themselves what you know, how to do your job, and even how to automate your tasks in the span of the same workday as you, all while reliably being able to gauge the innacuracy of the output they're reading, how much longer do you really hold relevance?


How do you mean "barely keep up" and "running laps around them" ?

Are the juniors increasing economic productivity or just pushing lines of code?

</retired from being measured against a random number generator>


They aren't teaching themselves anything though are they, they are basically getting AI to do their work for them.

Because the job changed out from under them - it's now to use AI as much as possible and generate so much and so convoluted content that humans have no chance of keeping up the "velocity" without being entirely dependent on it.

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