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What will you do if you can't get into your church building?


I had considered that too and breaking a window to gain access was an option.

I'm not a member of the church, but I chose this building specifically as it was most likely to have other people seeking shelter there who also had keys to the building. Indeed, the first family to arrive after us lived a block away and I did verify they do have a key.


    I'm not a member of the church
I'm atheist, but if things were going horribly wrong LDS would be high on my list of people to be around.


Why is that?


Speaking as a Mormon, we're highly encouraged to be prepared for the future, regardless of if that means losing a job, a natural disaster (hurricane, earthquake, etc), or unstable individuals with big, red buttons on their desk.

The Church has encouraged people to have a minimum of a 72-hour kit (typically a backpack or backpacks with everything your family would need for 3 days away from home), as well as storing as much water and food as is possible in your circumstances, ideally a year's supply.


I suppose living in southern Idaho for nine years makes me qualified to answer this :) Many Mormons are very into prepping (preparing for emergencies.)

For example, when I lived in Idaho Falls, many of the Mormons I knew had thick concrete shelters in their basements, massive amounts of dried food prepared, huge jugs of water stored, and regularly did drills with other members of there community. Additionally, Mormon churches are usually pretty visible (plus, they'd probably be willing to take you in) and common enough that it shouldn't be too hard to get to one.


I saw this in a local documentary about the USA (De Verenigde Staten van Eva). They called these people "preppers". I had never heard of that before. Don't remember if Mormon was mentioned.


Pro: A bunch of them are nutty doomsday preppers, with a lot of food supplies in their basements.

Con: The polygamy, child abuse, and endless fast and testimony meetings get kinda old after a while.


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> polygamy, child abuse, and endless fast and testimony meetings

Speaking anecdotally about my experiences in Oregon with Mormon friends, this feels like a gross misrepresentation. I haven't seen any of these situations pop up, and certainly not in any way that would cause it to be systemic.


I’m not a Mormon, or even a Christian, so I have no stake here.

What the fuck? No. I’ve traveled all over, and met a lot of Mormons and have Mormon friends. The most sinister thing they’re into is family game night. Ok, I’m no fan of the missionary thing, but again, as a non-Christian I appreciate that the Mormons take no for an answer, and will still hang out with you.

Their religion is wacky, but so is every religion. They have cults, but so do all religions. So... no.


Of course your anecdotes are true, individual Mormons can be the nicest, most well-meaning people ever, and Mormonism does indeed have a reputation for being a wacky but harmless religion.

However, Utah has one of the highest youth suicide rates in the nation, and one of the highest rates of anti-depressant medication use in the nation. This is in large part due to the unrealistic expectations and pressure its members are subject to.

Sure, they're not as overtly harmful as similar high-demand cults like FLDS or Scientology, but try joining and then not paying 10% of your gross income to the church and see how that works out.

Look... If you want a different perspective, just start reading people's stories here: https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/


How’s the suicide rate among evangelical Christians? Southern Baptists? If you tell young people to shape up or be damned, some will implode, especially LGBT youth, people struggling with addictions, atheists, etc. Sadly (imo) Mormons are like many other Anrahamic religions (and others) which make life very hard for a significant portion of the population. I also don’t believe they’re somehow different or worse than any others. They have strengths and weaknesses like any large group of humans.

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/155/5/413/171404

Not compelling, especially when you note that suicide is only one metric, violence against others being another, and so much more. Most of all though, I didn’t say they were wacky in particular, I said that they were wacky as are all religions. I don’t see them as materially different from any other religion, except in some cases, age.


i'm not a member of the lds church, but you should do some fact checking: mainline mormons don't practice polygamy.


It seems odd to call them "nutty" when the subject is who to turn to in an oh-shit real-life doomsday scenario.


Mormons stopped practicing polygamy in 1890.


They declared the practice “over” twice. Once in 1890, and again in 1904.

Many Mormons entered into polygamous marriages after 1890. Over 200 polygamous marriages were performed between 1890 and 1904.


How was that decided?


the law banned it.

note though all Christian religions claim to believe in a book, the Bible, that has people who practiced polygamy blessed by God. It's pretty hypocritical for any one who believes in the Bible to be against polygamy when the God that book is about blessed the practice.


Where in the Bible is this polygamy blessed by God?


What's wrong with polygamy?


Doesn't breaking a window to get in negate the "sealed windows" advantage of the location?


Maybe a bit, but a single broken window pane would be far easier to re-seal and protect from fallout than the literal wind sieve that is my house.

Every window in our house (save two) are the jalousie type common in older homes in Hawaii. [1]

[1] https://modernize.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/jalousie-wi...


You can cover up a broken window from the inside.

Better, that, than standing outside...


Assuming you can survive the initial blast, how do you plan to protect yourself and your family from radioactive dust for 7-10 days (assuming windows are broken by the blast - or by you).


Dunno about OP; I have 3M 7500 masks (small/medium/large as appropriate) with 60921i cartridges for the whole family. They are also used whenever we're doing fine grit sanding, fibreglass work, welding etc. so everyone's used to them. (Helps that they're pink, for the girls.)

Also keep iodine tablets in your bugout bag. And a razor, masks won't do shit if you have more than stubble on your cheek.


I’m curious how long the fallout would actually be an issue here, assuming trades were blowing 10-15 knots as usual.


It definitely depends on a number of variable factors including the size and location of a detonation. Either way, the leeward side would definitely be a higher risk area.


Out of curiosity, why does being around other people matter? Wouldn't you want to find a structure that would withstand the blast/fallout?


I think the point was that other people would come there and would have keys, meaning there’s a high probability of him being let it.


It doesn't, except for increasing the odds of being able to gain access.

The church is simply the best structure for blast/fallout protection that is accessible from our house within the flight-time of an ICBM launched towards Hawaii.

That being said, it was comforting to have other families to share concerns with.


But you would be splitting limited supplies among more people, right?

Was the church only meant as a shelter for the blast, and not an actual fallout shelter?


> But you would be splitting limited supplies among more people, right?

Yes, but Mormon churches generally have well-stocked pantries they use to help local families in need.

> Was the church only meant as a shelter for the blast, and not an actual fallout shelter?

Both. Compared to our house, the church is a stronger building that is much more airtight (in the case of fallout).

As far as actual fallout shelters, there are none -- this is simply the best option within reach.




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