We talked about this last night with my family, and found out that most people that don't want to get vaccinated that we know were people not affected by the second lockdown (in France) because they didn't follow the rules. I understand why some people don't want to get vaccinated, but on the other hand I feel like they're just exploiting the part of the population that's compliant. I wish there was a way to easily divided everyone, like "this city is for non-compliers, and this one is for compliers". I'm starting a new job soon and I'd like to be able to go to work normally. I don't want to be under a lockdown again because some people can't stop themselves from partying, don't want to get the vaccine and don't want to follow the rules. I guess this is just another prisonner's dilemma.
For me it'd not about partying. It's about keeping my body healthy and not injecting it with chemicals and risking long term damage for the rest of my life. I don't believe the vaccine is better than my natural antibodies at fighting covid. I also believe most of us already had covid and we have antibodies already.
Also, you are saying that you value avoiding a lockdown more than letting people on the planet decide what goes into their bodies. I can't agree with that. If we don't have freedom to decide that, we are nothing. Just resources to be exploited.
You know the vaccine trains you to make antibodies against COVID so they’re there when you need them, right? This should keep you out of hospital and hopefully reduce the risk of long COVID. It helps society as a whole by removing a naive host from the environment - remove enough hosts and the virus declines. Coupled with masking, it will reduce the chance of spreading COVID if infected, although delta might require a few days of isolation as well. It’s far safer than getting the virus into your system.
If you still do not wish to be vaccinated then at least follow the masking and other steps required to protect others. Get tested if you think you’re infected and isolate until it passes. Otherwise, if this too is something you’re not interested in doing, then you’re just a narcissist or worse. Too many people have suffered from COVID to fool around any more.
> Also, you are saying that you value avoiding a lockdown more than letting people on the planet decide what goes into their bodies.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I value avoiding a lockdown more than personally not getting a vaccine. I wish people that think like me could go our own way, and people that think like you could go their own way.
I don't like how every discussion about the vaccine is turning into a "us vs them". You're free to decide whatever you do with the vaccine, I think that's a fundamental right. On the other hand, I'd like the situation to return to normal one day. But not bad enough to force people to vaccinate.
Thanks for clearing that up. I agree that it would be great if we wouldn't fight eachother over this. It just feels extreamly invasive to have someone support the government forcing chemicals into people's bodies. That's a horrible world to live in. What's why i get so triggered by it. But I reacted badly to your post. Sorry. :)
And it feels extremely anti-social to me for people allowing the pandemic to continue for much longer than it needs to, with consequent loss of life and health for many, by selfishly refusing to do their part and get vaccinated. That's a horrible world to create by their actions.
What they're hoping to be is freeloaders on the precautions that the rest of us have taken, the steps that we are taking to end the pandemic. What they get in the worst case is COVID, and then spread it to the vulnerable. And that is just awful; callous, selfish and irresponsible.
I am not expecting _you_ to agree, after all you operate from different starting "facts", but I hope that you and others can understand the validity of this perspective.
> I don't believe the vaccine is better than my natural antibodies at fighting covid.
For the benefit of people reading this, this view is _not_ supported by evidence. The fact is that vaccines give you stronger protection than a bout of COVID, and against more variants.
"The evidence shows that protective antibodies generated in response to an mRNA vaccine will target a broader range of SARS-CoV-2 variants ... compared to antibodies acquired from an infection."
