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> when it actually works*

*: The definition of "work" includes veering incl. but not limited to other vehicles, road shoulders or road divisions, sometimes self stabbing the car incl., but not limited to its driver with road railings or other roadside objects. The car might catch fire as a result or independent of the event if its feelings are hurt, or just feels like it, and burns for days, releasing its densely packed magic smoke, sweat, blood vapor and condensed tears of its designers and builders. The fumes might be toxic. Please don't inhale them.



Did someone give you the impression that cars without FSD have ever been safe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

Most dangerous way to travel, full stop. FSD or not. I don't think a perfect safety record is possible. Only better than what people currently accomplish given the inherent unsafety of the whole system. If safety were a top priority, the cars would be on rails.


> Did someone give you the impression that cars without FSD have ever been safe?

Did I say anything resembling or implying that? I don't think so.

> Most dangerous way to travel, full stop.

I love a quote from a famous driver, paraphrasing: "Racing is some people knowing what they're doing driving in a closed circuit. Traffic is the same, but with people who don't know what they're doing".

On top of that, I had enough incidents to know that what humans can do in traffic. They make good stories though.

> I don't think a perfect safety record is possible.

Me, too.

> Only better than what people currently accomplish given the inherent unsafety of the whole system.

I think cars with driver monitoring is more secure than cars with FSD or hands-free driving. I love to drive cars with lane hold, adaptive cruise and driver monitoring, because these systems improve safety and augment humans at the same time.

I don't believe that AI and/or computer vision is close to matching human perception and reasoning to handle a 2ton steel box like humans. Augmenting humans' capabilities is a far safer and reliable (if not unsexier) way.

> the cars would be on rails.

I love trains to death, but they're not perfect either.




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