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It's hard to justify snowflake animations on your website...


The audacity to critique Apple's use of icons (which is objectively justified critique, IMO) while having animated snowflakes falling over the text and images on the site is something on an entirely different level.

Thank goodness for Firefox reader mode. That animation is so incredibly distracting.


It is a personal blog. I would not apply the same kind of criticism to a personal blog, even though it does sound ironic. Moreover, turning off JS was an easy solution. There is no solution right now for apple's UI mess (except not updating).


Personal blog or no, I think the UX and usability critiques are equally valid.

Whether or not the author cares will certainly be influenced by the fact it’s just a personal blog. I wouldn’t expect them to change anything for that reason alone, but the criticism stands nonetheless.


An author of a personal blog does not have to care about judgements of usability vs what they find appealing. A personal blog is a place of self-expression firstmost, not a public service nor a product that targets users. When usability is not the primary goal, you may take unconventional design decisions. If the author likes snowflakes all over the canvas, snowflakes it is. They put an easy way to disable them, I did it in <1 second through disabling JS before I even noticed there was a switch, that's all. Similarly, I would not care about the design choices of apple if I could just disable them even if it took me 5 minutes to do so.


I agree that the author has the right to self express. But in this case, I think the point being made is that it's less about what the author cares about, and more about the author's topic. They're writing about usability and design, while using (arguably) poor judgment and taste for both. It would be a little bit like an extremely out-of-shape person criticizing a marathon running program as being too hard on someone's body, or a homeless person writing that active investing is better than Vanguard's low-fee indexing model. The person's context doesn't make their arguments right or wrong, it just lowers their authority and believability.


> It would be a little bit like an extremely out-of-shape person criticizing a marathon running program as being too hard on someone's body, or a homeless person writing that active investing is better than Vanguard's low-fee indexing model. The person's context doesn't make their arguments right or wrong, it just lowers their authority and believability.

it absolutely would not, it would be more akin to someone wearing a fat-suite for a joke and criticizing someone for running with bad form

but you are taking this so seriously I can't quite tell if you're joking anyway


Yeah. I immediately went to the snowflake icon at the top of the page thinking it would turn the animation off. Instead, it changed the background color :-(

I can't stand animations while I'm trying to read something, and this one is particularly egregious.


It change the background color AND turns off the animation.

(TBF, it slowly fades the animation out, probably for aesthetic reasons, to avoid a jarring sudden stop. I do agree, though, that a sudden stop would probably be more appropriate in this context)


Ohhh thank you! I thought the same as the parent comment: I expected that button to turn off the animation immediately. I guess the author wanted the yellow background to "melt" the snowflakes?


> I can't stand animations while I'm trying to read something, and this one is particularly egregious.

Let me introduce you to "neko"...


Please do! You put an ellipsis where an interesting explanation could go.


Japanese for "cat". Small programs to add a tiny cat that runs to your cursor and then naps - until another cursor move.

There's also JS to add a neko to a webpage.

Cute, but also not good when trying to focus on reading.


I’ve seen some blogs linked here on HN that do that. It’s so incredibly obnoxious if you have any difficulties with visual processing.

I’m trying to read but my eyes keep jumping to the movement and I lose my place.

I understand people think it’s “fun” but I think it’s just so disrespectful to the reader.


Hah, that's a blast from the past! You've reminded me of "Ameko", which added a little cat to the Amiga Workbench, walking around over the windows. I think I had it from a magazine coverdisk.


A personal blog is not the same as the UI of an operating system. More expressiveness is to be expected in a personal blog. That said it’s so easy to turn off that I was distracted for less than 5 seconds. How easy is it to turn off icons in the menu bar in Tahoe?


I agreed at first, but that the blog has bad UX doesn't make the message it conveys wrong though.


In my opinion, I can be a worst UX expert in the world, and I still reserve the right to criticize bad UX elsewhere: the fact that you are a bad "creator" does not mean that you are a stupid "user".

Yes, it is a bit hypocritical, but you can look at the content of the message and judge it without judging the presentation of the message, even if it talks about usability of interfaces in computer software.


Sure. But as Ray Dalio suggests in Principles (https://www.principles.com/principles/633d5d13-8610-425f-ad6...), you will be more likely to succeed at your task if you believability-weight the information you receive. When considering a military strategy, you should probably weigh the advice from a 4-star general who's served in similar circumstances over the advice of a 4-year-old boy who is relying on his experience watching Paw Patrol.

As the worst UX expert in the world, you can obviously feel free to criticize others, but you're probably going to lose a lot of people after the first sentence if you're using 2003 MySpace-style blinking text and animated GIFs to make your point.


Certainly!

But, if a 4-year old boy finds "there's more of them with bigger guns", and a general has a personal interest in hurting someone without you knowing that, you'd be unwise to not consider the words of the boy as you prep your military strategy.

Note that you were careful to establish hard-to-prove circumstances ("served in similar circumstances"), which seems to say that you don't want to discount what the non-expert is saying too easily either.


Sometimes you need an animation to turn your site into a special snowflake of a site, and what better way to do that than to use a snowflake animation? TBF, you can turn it off by clicking on the snowflake icon in the top right corner. But then the background turns from blue into an annoying shade of yellow. Ok, you can click on the sun icon to fix it by switching to night mode. But then... aaaaargh!


It seems like the author went out of their way to prove they can make an even worse UI than Apple. I suspect they succeeded.


This is exactly my thoughts. If you are reading this, author, please either make the snowflakes less distracting or toggleable. They are a pain on mobile.


> author, please either make the snowflakes less distracting or toggleable

They already did, as the grandparent comment already explained:

>> TBF, you can turn it off by clicking on the snowflake icon in the top right corner.


Did you see what happens when you do? I wouldn’t say it improves readability.


Yup: all the animation stops, the overlaid snowflakes disappear, and the background changes from blue to yellow. I haven't bothered to check the foreground/background contrast of the two versions, but I suspect that, although the yellow version will have less contrast, the removal of the snowflakes will make for a net benefit to readability for the average person.


Button doesn't do anything for me.


This is the biggest mistake, imo. The snowflakes should disappear immediately...


>Ok, you can click on the sun icon to fix it by switching to night mode, but then... aaaaargh!

TBF, I felt so perfectly trolled with this one I couldn't help but chuckle... :)


I genuinely went looking for an "off" button, and was very confused when the snowflake icon changed the background color instead. I didn't even notice that the snow stops being generated until I read your comment and tried again. I'm both impressed and annoyed.


> Sometimes you need an animation to turn your site into a special snowflake of a site, and what better way to do that than to use a snowflake animation?

<blink>


The dark mode action got an audible chuckle out of me.


The site has a history of trolling people, it used to be the cursor background.

Also do check his privacy policy https://tonsky.me/personal-information/


It's Christmas, lighten up. I think the animation adds a glorious bit of irony: "look, here's a horribly distracting effect that is almost designed to make it difficult to read the article, and it's still not as egregious as Apple's Tahoe design!"


Design is about how it works (my phone went 100% —> 84% while reading this, almost certainly thanks to the snow)


It's a shame the author didn't test on mobile, but I think we should cut them some slack. It would be understandable for this particular article's audience to mostly be viewing on desktop.


Well, it is kinda cool in my room, so i guess the extra warmth from my mobile was helpful.

And it got noticeably warm.


The animation is not only on the linked article so no, it's not about the irony.


I couldn't tell if the author was being ironic or just breathtakingly hypocritical.


Even if they were being hypocritical, I think the impact of briefly-bad UI on someone's blog post pales in comparison with bad UI in a product of macOS scale.


I don't know, I figure with a billion dollars Apple should be able to do much better at being awful than this. More proactive rather than accidental awfulness. Something that isn't just bad but capital intensive at the same time. Anyone can build a bad UX on a few menus, or a whole system incrementally over time. But to really lean in? Maybe commission famous artists with eye watering fees for each icon, truly over the top marketing campaigns, really get the cash-fired furnaces going. Really just go full-potlatch on things.


This is hypocrisy in the same way that a rock star complaining about construction noise outside his home is hypocrisy. Context is everything.


The rage bait on HN works like clockwork. Usually it's the "dark mode" feature of that website that triggers this comment.


tonsky.me is a troll site that should be banned from being posted on HN


Or you could just lighten up and get a sense of humor...


What's trollish about his blog ?


Author seems to enjoy writing posts that get lots of votes on site that I would describe as eye-rending, especially the "normal" yellow color scheme. It's aggressively unpleasant to read.


How is it trolling, though? Annoying, sure. But the content here is valid and worth reading, even if the medium is suboptimal.


It's easy to justify: it's cute. Just like the other options up at the top. If you click the sun it turns out the lights and turns your cursor into a flashlight. And it has an actual hamburger as the icon for the menu.


Cute AND annoying. Like a racoon. Please don't fling racoons at people, not even for christmas.


The site has also an amazing night mode. Everyone should try it!


Well, I guess you haven't tried its "dark mode" yet


The animation isn't even in the background...


It also immediately eats 5% of the raw compute on my RTX 4080 Super, which is more than a dozen tabs in chrome and 3 active youtube videos running, run in each of Chrome, Firefox, Edge-- all combined, which was 3% before loading this page (which is 5% on its own) up to 9% total.

That explains my other comment, which speculated the snow as the cause for my iPhone instantly overheating, followed by screen-dimming throttling.

Also: this is not a plea to stop putting snow/etc on pages. I miss the days of such things in earlier internet. I'd trade back janky plugins and Flash player crashes for the humanizing & personalized touch many sites had back then.


I was starting to wonder why my iPhone got crazy hot. I’m using reader mode and it appears to continue running the web page and animation in the background… crazy.


I found this kinda funny. The content of the page is something I strongly agree with. But then the page itself was just so distracting. I saw the snow flake icon so I tapped it but it just turned my snow into the dreaded yellow snow.


I decided to believe it was parody. Snowstorm ruining your visibility. Article on bad UX hamming up the bad UX.

That snowflakes were the author’s preference? That’s too much madness for one day.


A very distracting one that masks text as well. But to be fair, there's a very explicit icon in the header to deactivate them


or changing my mouse pointer


The irony of an article about design being on such a badly designed page is not lost on me.


At least there’s a button to turn it off. But yes, I agree.


Confusingly, because it stops the "particle spawning" but not the animation! At first I thought it just changed the background to orange.


It helps to reload, as the setting is sticky.


I was wondering why my phone was turning hot in my hand...


The detail on the animations is, as usual, top notch, including the way snow doesn't just immediately turn off but stops falling slowly. I love it.


> including the way snow doesn't just immediately turn off but stops falling slowly. I love it.

Funny, i disliked this exact detail. I thought turning it off hadn't worked for a few seconds and i retoggled it on and off a bunch of times before i got it


I think OP was sarcastic. (I hope!)


Can people actually read it with the snowflakes? The motion draws my eyes and makes it extremely unpleasant trying to read the underlying text. Very poorly thought out decoration.

And yes, I did think "this is terrible, there must be a way to change it", clicking the snowflake icon. The colour changed to a new colour but otherwise it didn't seem to change, so I just clicked back.

Because, as you noted, the snowflakes slowly end, which I didn't realize until seeing your comment.

It's fun. Looks neat. It's an extremely poor idea for a site trying to convey textual information.


I did notice it, but had no trouble reading windowed on a large screen (43" 4K screen).


:-) and while doing this, the background turns yellow — why? how annoying it would be if something like this existed in real life - turning off the fan switches on the lights, and turning off the lights switches on the fan.


Lookup the Mitch Hedberg bit about hotel lamps with 3 way switches


Needs some Alanis Morissette background music.


it is an interesting thought: run a vanity fluid sim on your website to filter out everyone without discrete GPUs...


Hot take: The snowflakes are fun and when blogs integrate fun things they make me feel joy like when I was throwing marquee elements all over my geocities site in grade school. In an era where most of the content I read is written by AI, the more personal a blog feels to me, the better.


It'd be fine if it didn't lag horribly


Yeah, on an article ranting about clutter in the macOS UI, this is a mindboggling design choice.


Once you try the dark mode, you'll realize the irony is done on purpose.

Edit: I'm not implying it's a good thing.

It's a joke that did not drop. Given the audience is trying to read text. And he's making it annoying to read text.

It's like a stand-up comedian telling a joke, in a wild accent; where the audience cannot discern what he's saying.


It's a joke for this specific topic, that is on the entire website, and has been for almost a month prior[1] to this post being published?

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20251207071946/https://tonsky.me...


"I’m Niki. Here I write about programming and UI design"

I'd imagine he thought the blog was mostly going to be about UI. "Haha, a blog talking about UI, with bad UI. Isn't that funny!"

Like there's no way the flashlight UI was done for usability purposes. It has to be a joke.


It's very annoying, but you can turn it off (snowflake icon, although then you get a yellow background), and IMO the article content is worth reading.


I tried that then discarded it, because it doesn't immediately hide the snowflakes that are already on screen.

The article is good but the choice of distracting snowflakes or radioactive piss burning your retina is not a welcome one.


It takes over 10 seconds to turn off fully. I had to go back and try it after your comment, because I thought that button just turned the page yellow, which was worse than the blue.

I ended up using reader mode to read the page. The whole site design undermined the point being made. One of the first things mentioned is not to be distracting. Yet they went out of their way to make their own site distracting. "Do as I say, not as I do."


The snowflake icon that disappears off-screen the instant you scroll down past the obnoxiously large header image to read the actual content?


I literally didn't notice that the snowflake icon turned it off:

   1. I scrolled through the article getting more and more frustrated with the snow
   2. I scrolled all the way back to the top and saw the snowflake icon
   3. I clicked the snowflake, saw the hideous yellow, said WTF and clicked again to go back to blue
   4. **I never noticed** that the snowflake *does* stop the snow, but *only* stops *new* snow, so the existing snow continues to fall across the screen
   5. I clicked several other things, then came here to complain and saw this thread


  > although then you get a yellow background
Yes, and this is arguably worse. I ended up using Immersive Reader mode in Edge.


Yes can people stop doing this, it was cute 20 years ago now it’s just annoying and obnoxious.


FWIW, while I'm complaining about this site I'm actually adding a nice easy-on-the eyes particle system in the background of a point-and-click online game. You don't put it in front of the content or behind text people are supposed to read.

This is such a common failure mode with coders who do their own design. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.


That reminds me of this classic: https://www.angelfire.com/super/badwebs/


Came here to say the same. Not only is it redundant and distracting, destroying the reading experience, it even makes the fucking fan turn on and make noise because apparently it’s a lot of work for the video card. A presentation of valid arguments destroyed by something completely superfluous and ironically the same kind of stupidity that’s the target of the criticism made.


It felt quite ironic reading a complaint about icons and UI consistency through a hail of snowflakes that made it hard to even see the icons.


A hint to the site developer: add an option to purchase the Weather Control Pack Platinum Pro+ to get to choose your site weather any way you like. It would fity nicely next to that 'Personal Information' section. Who knows, someone might even 'purchase' it since that seems to the thing to do in the Cult of the Fruit.


i thought it was very funny :) - try the dark mode


lost 4% battery while reading the blog post


ah this is why I heard my coolers spin up


And now my phone is hot


Scrooge


It's an annoying website, but luckily you can just enable reader view and all problems are fixed.


Why? Its just a silly personal website

Do you not realize that the stakes are different between that and a whole OS?




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