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This is so extremely annoying when paired with the forced auto restarts. Here is how it works:

1. I walk away from the computer with a bunch of my tabs and programs running. I also have a couple of servers running (docker compose).

2. Microsoft decides my work is worthless and restarts the PC to install updates to fix their own shoddy programming.

3. After 3-4 restarts, it finally drops back into the login screen. So my open apps, tabs, servers are all gone, and will not be running. Basically means I cannot rely on the PC being online if I am outside.

4. And on top of that, even when I enter the password, it will pretend to login, but stops on this spam screen with the anti-pattern "remind me later" button. Every single time. I've told them no for at least 50 times. Oh and this screen blocks every startup program from loading, even though I have signed in. So I have to clear it before docker will load.

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Docker runs better on Linux. And Linux doesn't reboot unless told to do so. And you can SSH into it rather than run some sort of long winded GUI. Oh, and it doesn't phone home all the time with 'telemetry'.

I do my work on this PC. And even though almost all of it is on WSL, the rest of the OS just works better than any Linux I've tried. And I'm no stranger to Linux. My first was the Ubuntu Dapper Drake CD they used to mail out for free. So I put up with all the abuse :( I have a fully functional Arch Linux on a secondary SSD, but it's just a pain to deal with all the Bluetooth audio quirks, the uncanny valley GUI, incomplete app support, etc. I'll muster enough willpower one day to fully make the arch boot by default.

I switched to Linux in 2018, and I hear you on the quirks. But now, an LLM can fix basically any quirk you hit. I’ve been surprised multiple times. I’m also on Pop OS, which feels more batteries-included than Ubuntu.

If you disable it as outlined in the article it will not come back IME. It is ridiculous and frustrating that you have to do it, and IMO it's extremely poorly named and placed but it does work at least.

I always disable automatic updates as a group policy and re-enable them when I'm ready to install them for this very reason.

You don't even need to reenable. Manually checking for updates still works.

Don't Windows Services run behind the login window (when configured to do so)?

Could you set up Docker that way?


I've set it up to run on login. But this screen is special. It blocks everything after login until you accept or remind later it.

Windows 11 is for video games and Excel, not running docker compose and servers. Windows Server is for running servers.

  Windows 11 is for video games
Not even that anymore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJEo6Kb6Rhg

Coverage is still partial because some VERY popular games do not run on Linux due to anti-cheat

I'd say that coverage is very, very substantial, but incomplete because some games use anti-cheat that is either extremely invasive and heavily relies on Windows internals, or is anti-cheat that the devs have configured to reject running in Proton.

Yes, it's very good. However, basically-every-current-multiplayer-shooter is a big missing category.

BTW as someone increasingly fed up with W11 and thus feeling homeless: how well does VR work?

> basically-every-current-multiplayer-shooter is a big missing category.

Weird. I've been playing many multiplayer shooters from Proton with my Windows-using friends. I suppose this is one of those "am I friends with people who pretty much only play CoD or Fortnite?" things.


Anything you'd want to play runs on Linux.

One that people keep commenting on is Battlefield 6, which has an absolutely perfect user experience in Linux.

If you play it on Windows it's a slow, buggy, crashy, half-finished mess that barely works is just no fun at all.

On Linux, it's perfect. It doesn't work at all, so you don't waste any time trying to enjoy the slow, buggy, crashy, half-finished mess.


Do you think gamers want any of that?

Except developers run docker compose locally all the time.

And even if I am just using Excel, my work still deserves to be respected by the operating system.


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Do laptops and hibernate not exist where you live? Do lightning strikes reset your computer monthly?

Not that I disagree with you, but some of us still use desktops because laptops don't always get the job done. That being said, how hard is it to hit ctrl-s

I originally wrote "and UPSes" but naïvely thought, "surely I can elide that for brevity"

As for ctrl-s, wasn't running docker containers as a developer a prominent part of this conversation?


I don’t know where you live, but where I live, my Windows admins send me notifications about planned upgrades.

I've a solid UPS.

so you know what I mean

My clients didn't get the memo

Have they gotten the memo reminding them “schedule and execute your updates to avoid waking up to a login screen”? I feel sorry for you having to work with clients who run production workloads on Windows 11.

Linux is for running servers

If you’re some linux hardliner then that’s what your world looks like, sure. Windows Server is for running Windows servers.



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